Posted by: seanmalstrom | August 4, 2011

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And… another refutation, because without even posting my e-mail or article, Mr Malstrom is arguing more about how Nintendo development is transitioning from the 3DS to Wii U and showing the exact same non existant level of research.Funny enough, it starts with a not too subtle reference to my article, with Sean saying that I always know when a post of mine hits a bulls-eye when immediately people email me about it or write rebuttals to it. Doing everything but actually linking to my article I see.

Never the less, the lack of research continues to be evident, with an argument that Nintendo is 3/4 done with their 3DS first party games. Erm, no they’re not. Super Smash Bros, Animal Crossing, Pokemon, Pikmin, 3D Mario, 2D Mario, Legend of Zelda, Kid Icarus, Mario Kart… that’s not exactly just a few franchises missing at the moment. And if you call Nintendogs + cats, Pilotwings and Steel Diver three quarters of a Nintendo line up, you know you’re in trouble.

Okay everyone, according to Sean Malstrom and his ridiculously badly researched maths class, Nintendo are only going to publish one more 3DS game ever before pulling the system after the market and going third party. You’d better show more than three or four titles before saying a company is three quarters done.

He then goes on to say that he never said the 3DS was doomed. Okay, my mistake/possible exaggeration. But he certainly implied it with his talk about the 3DS for the last year or so. Considering this is someone talking of Nintendo going into a self inflicted Gamecube like hell, doomed is about the most visible bit of subtext there is. More to the point, this is all coming from someone spouting off rants about how the video game industry is going to die horribly in a bad video game apocalypse of biblical proportions. Minus the lakes of fire and four horsemen of the apocalypse. Easy to think that he explicitly said the 3DS was doomed.

Moving on, the article then immediately says the Virtual Boy or Gamecube philosophy is doomed. So you might as well have said the 3DS is doomed, since it follows the exact same philosophy.

The next few paragraphs however, give the worst reasons for not taking future games seriously possible. Like how Animal Crossing 3DS hasn’t really been announced (yes it has, back when the 3DS debuted stupid) or how it’s irrelevant because it hasn’t been given a release date. Oh Malstrom? You might as well stop talking about Zelda Skyward Sword, Mario Kart or Mario 3D Land, since none of those got a specific release date yet either.

What comes next however… kind of undermines everything he wrote since 2008. He outright says that it doesn’t matter because Zelda doesn’t sell hardware anyway. Okay then. So you finally admit the NES Zelda games didn’t sell hardware? That a new Zelda game in arcade style wouldn’t sell 3DS systems? Because if so, I might as well say you’re right. Your obsession with Zelda and Metroid and talk of all their importance really is fan myopia to some degree. You might as well just come clean and admit the obvious, that most of the DS and Wii audience don’t give a toss about Link or Samus, nor their respective franchises. Repeat to Malstrom… your favourites are irrelevant.

Not to say the Zelda series isn’t a great series or important to the fans, but… you’re being a hypocrite.

He is however right when he says Nintendo knows first party software is important and they focus on one system at a time. But really, Nintendo generally stopped releasing DS games when the Wii came out? Do you really want to bet on that?

Here are important Nintendo published 2006 onwards games:

Advance Wars Days of Ruin
Art Academy
Clubhouse Games
Diddy Kong Racing DS
DK Jungle Climber
Elite Beat Agents
Etrian Oddysey
Both Fire Emblem games
Golden Sun Dark Dawn
Hotel Dusk
Kirby Super Star Ultra
Kirby Squeak Squad
The Legend of Zelda Phantom Hourglass
The Legend of Zelda Spirit Tracks
Mario and Luigi Bowser’s Inside Story
Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Games and sequel
Mario Hoops 3 on 3
Mario Party DS
Both Mario vs Donkey Kong games
Metroid Prime Hunters
Mystery Case Files: MillionHeir
New Super Mario Bros
Nintendogs: Dalmatian and Friends
Both Picross games
Most Pokemon games, including Pokemon Diamond and Pearl, Pokemon HeartGold and SoulSilver and Pokemon Black and White
Most Professor Layton games
Rhythm Heaven
WarioWare D.I.Y.
Yoshi’s Island DS

How is that focusing on the Wii?

Also, if they moved most of their teams to focus on the 3DS, what the hell have most of them being doing this whole time? As I said above, the current amount of 3DS games by Nintendo is pretty much pathetic, and I don’t think I’ve seen whole teams working on anything. Even Ocarina of Time 3D was out sourced.

They’re not running out of software. You can’t run out of something you don’t provide/make/have in the first place.

Continuing on…

He only sees Mario Kart 7 as a potential killer app. Fair enough. Although with the current level of 3DS sales, even another Mario Sunshine would technically be a killer app compared to the level of sales any other game’s getting. A 3D Mario game would sell at least twice what any current 3DS game is selling.

Yes, these games are Gamecube esque. But even the Gamecube sold better than the 3DS at the moment, and it’s clear that audience hasn’t exactly moved over to the 3DS, and might be resisting the urge to purchase one just like the Wii customers. Nintendo’s still got about 18 million possible Gamecube buyers to lure over to the 3DS, and many of them are refusing to buy it for various reasons. That’s one point not considered, although it’s in Malstrom’s favour.

On the other hand, even Gamecube games sell somewhat, and could boost the 3DS sales significantly. Super Smash Bros for example sold well enough to practically overcome the limited system it was on, and while I didn’t exactly make it popular, it could still sell a good few 3DS systems.

And I’m no fool. Nintendo’s output for the 3DS will be higher in 2012 if only because games worked on since 2011 will finally be released. Luigi’s Mansion 2 is one of them. Animal Crossing is another. And Kid Icarus will be another, at least for those in Europe. Not to mention Paper Mario 3D. That’s about the same as the number of Nintendo published 3DS games released in 2011 so far. And if you think Professor Layton and Smash Bros are also to be released then, that’s another 2, equalling this year’s Nintendo made 3DS output. Not to mention any games which haven’t even been announced yet, or Mario and Sonic at the 2012 London Olympic Games.

So onto the price drop, which seems to be the next topic of his article.

If Nintendo had a strong list of first party 2012 3DS software planned, they wouldn’t be cutting the price this much.

Yes they possibly would. Remember, there’s still about four months of sod all until Nintendo’s holiday releases of Mario Kart and Super Mario 3D Land. Wouldn’t you be desperate to drive sales up at any cost during a half year period of absolutely no new games of note?

Nintendo wouldn’t be cutting the price if decent games were being released left and right this time of year, and 3DS consoles were flying off shelves. Think of it this way… if it was 2006, and Wii Sports was announced as a seperately released game to be sold in 2007, would Nintendo seriously go ahead and full price until then with no games based on the promise of a game being out in the future?

“I would like someone to explain to me how it is possible for Nintendo to launch the Wii U while putting out the same level of software support for the 3DS as Nintendo did in 2011.

I did, right above.

“Unless Nintendo has secret development teams no one has heard about, there isn’t enough manpower to launch the Wii U and keep the same pace of first party software for the 3DS.

Unless the Wii U has an awful launch line up like the 3DS… wait a minute… But seriously, Nintendo has enough staff to not have to devote them all to one console at a time.

Goodbye Mr Malstrom, wrong again I see.

This email is what happens when a Nintendo fan pays $250 only to see a drastic price drop. And all I said was that outside the announced games, Nintendo won’t be releasing much more for the 3DS (why? Because of the Wii U launch).

Let’s go through this email closely:

Never the less, the lack of research continues to be evident, with an argument that Nintendo is 3/4 done with their 3DS first party games. Erm, no they’re not. Super Smash Bros, Animal Crossing, Pokemon, Pikmin, 3D Mario, 2D Mario, Legend of Zelda, Kid Icarus, Mario Kart… that’s not exactly just a few franchises missing at the moment. And if you call Nintendogs + cats, Pilotwings and Steel Diver three quarters of a Nintendo line up, you know you’re in trouble.

Super Mario 3d Land, Mario Kart 7, Kid Icarus, and Luigi’s Mansion 2 cannot count because they have a release date. I am referring to the games without a release date.

I mentioned Animal Crossing. Anyone think Animal Crossing is going to suddenly turn around 3DS sales? I didn’t think so.

Pokemon is a given. But it won’t create DS level sales.

You cannot say 2d Mario. Nintendo is saying that Super Mario 3dland counts as 2d Mario because it uses many 2d Mario mechanics. Of course, 2d Mario fans won’t accept it, and we keep teaching this lesson to Miyamoto every time he makes a 3d Mario game. The 2d Mario game appears to have gone to the Wii U.

Pikmin isn’t coming to 3DS. Pikmin 3 is said to be on the Wii U.

I mentioned Zelda (hasn’t been announced but we know its coming). Aonuma Zelda doesn’t sell hardware. I expect Nintendo to limit production so it doesn’t enter the bomba bin like Spirit Tracks.

Smash Brothers was announced, but it hasn’t started production. It will be at least two years before it is ready for release. And it is a N64/Gamecube game which means it is unlikely to sell 3DS hardware by any significant degree.

So as far as unannounced games, all you have to look forward to on the 3DS is Aonuma Zelda, Animal Crossing, Pokemon, and Smash Brothers. And that’s it. Sounds like 3/4 of the software already announced already. Nintendo will have a couple of titles up their sleeve to announce, but this software will be like Brain Age and not aimed for you.

Why do you think Iwata wrote an apology letter to you?

But really, Nintendo generally stopped releasing DS games when the Wii came out? Do you really want to bet on that?

Here are important Nintendo published 2006 onwards games:

Advance Wars Days of Ruin
Art Academy
Clubhouse Games
Diddy Kong Racing DS
DK Jungle Climber
Elite Beat Agents
Etrian Oddysey
Both Fire Emblem games
Golden Sun Dark Dawn
Hotel Dusk
Kirby Super Star Ultra
Kirby Squeak Squad
The Legend of Zelda Phantom Hourglass
The Legend of Zelda Spirit Tracks
Mario and Luigi Bowser’s Inside Story
Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Games and sequel
Mario Hoops 3 on 3
Mario Party DS
Both Mario vs Donkey Kong games
Metroid Prime Hunters
Mystery Case Files: MillionHeir
New Super Mario Bros
Nintendogs: Dalmatian and Friends
Both Picross games
Most Pokemon games, including Pokemon Diamond and Pearl, Pokemon HeartGold and SoulSilver and Pokemon Black and White
Most Professor Layton games
Rhythm Heaven
WarioWare D.I.Y.
Yoshi’s Island DS

Oh look! Someone is cutting and pasting from another website. I like how all the titles are in alphabetical order.

Many of those games came out before the Wii did. NSMB DS, Yoshi’s Island DS, Metroid Prime Hunters, and Nintendogs came out prior to the Wii. When you copy and pasted the list, you only typed in ‘2006’ forgetting that the Wii was released at the end of the year of 2006.

Most of those games are also from Second Party.

Some of those games are third party. Mario Hoops 3 on 3 was made by Square-Enix. Mario Party DS was made by Hudson.

People waste my time when they cut and paste a list from another website. If you feel you’ve been had by buying a 3DS at full price (which you were), attack Nintendo, not me. I warned people that the 3DS would have a Gamecube type performance.

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